Just Like a Brother

Q. I’m always the "great guy" who remind women of their "brother." Am I sending off the wrong signals?


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Growing up, I was always the "great guy" with a "good heart" who reminded women I was interested in "of their brother," and not much has changed. Am I sending off the wrong signals when looking for a relationship, or am I misinterpreting the signals women send me? How long should I pursue a woman before I would know the difference between "just friends" and "more than just friends"? Am I looking for the wrong kinds of women? Or worse, am I just doomed to be everyone’s brother and confidante? Thanks, Kevin in Wichita, KS

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Thanks for your letter. I suspect there are millions of men who are dealing with the same kind of problem. Society certainly does tend to give us mixed signals. Women will often say that they want a man who can communicate—a man who knows what’s going on inside him. Time and time again "kindness" is rated as the most important thing that women want in a mate.

On the other hand, men who are soft or sensitive often turn women off. And, ironically, one of the worst things a man can hear from a date is that he’s a "nice guy."

You’ve asked several questions, but based on the situation you describe I believe one of two things is happening.

  1. These women just don't feel a strong sense of chemistry with you.

    If you’ve been out with five women in the last five months and each has told you that they just want to be friends, it is likely that they just don’t feel a strong sense of chemistry and are searching for a nice way to end the relationship. I can appreciate your frustration, but in this scenario you're not creating the problem. The best solution is to keep reaching out to your eHarmony matches and remain positive.
  2. You are, unintentionally, hampering a woman’s ability to see you as a love interest.

    This is a harder situation to resolve because it involves examining yourself and considering what signals you may be giving a woman. The first few dates you share with a woman are VERY different from the rest of your relationship. This is a period where both people are "looking" for indications of what sort of relationship partner the other will be. Assumptions are being made with very little information, and you need to be aware how those assumptions play into attraction.
What women look for in a man
When I talk to women about the men they are attracted to, I hear a few things over and over. In the space of a few hours your date is observing you to try and determine if you are all these things:
  • Kind
  • Have a great sense of humor
  • Emotionally strong and stable
  • Confident

Confidence is often the quality that men overlook. I’m not talking about an annoying swagger. This is a quiet confidence that plays across your entire demeanor. Confident men are not overeager. They are kind, but don't bend over backwards to prove their accessibility and desirability. They understand that early in a relationship there are some important boundaries and that being too eager to please and needy is perceived poorly by most women.
Kevin, this can be complex stuff, because most women love a gentleman, but they want a gentleman who possess a sense of strength about who he his and what kind of relationship he wants. This leads me to your question about knowing the difference in a romantic relationship and "just friends" relationship. That is all about chemistry.

Let’s talk about chemistry
If you’re dating someone and you both share a strong sense of chemistry it won’t be long before you know it. Many women have a policy against kissing on the first date, but by the second or third date a woman who has a strong physical attraction for you is going to want to kiss you. And if, by the third date, you’ve spent some romantic time together and not yet had a kiss, it’s probably time to give it a try. If she is interested you’ll know, and if she isn’t . . . you’ll know that as well.

By making a few small changes to the ways you interact during the first few dates, I’m confident that you’ll appear less as the "sweet guy who women want as a best friend" and more like a potential romantic interest who can become a great friend.

I wish you the very best,
Dr. Neil Clark Warren

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667Thomas wrote:
HI, I appreciate the article and the information regarding confidence. I got married when I was quite young and became a father and had gotten divorced when I was 21. I spent most of my twenties struggling with paying bills, child support, and trying to be a father. I did not have anytime for dating. I didn't start dating until I was in my thirties and early forties. Unfortunately, I was never in a strong position financially until the last six years. So, I guess, my question is, how does one become more confident? Is it by having more dating opportunities? I don't get many opportunities to meet women so, its hard for me. Plus when I do, I don't have much success with the women I would meet, I always ended up in the "Friend Zone." What can I do? Thanks.
My advice to you is to let them know that you're interested in more than just friends. A few hints: bouquet of flowers, compliments, open the car door, look into her eyes, ask her when is her birthday & buy her a gift, know her favorite color, etc. You need to do things that a "male friend" don't do. My male friends don't do the things I just mentioned. And when the time is right, let her know that you're interested in seeking a relationship with her. Remember: Timing is everything!
- April 19, 2008 06:19 PM

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Hah! Story of my life-LOL!!!

I used to be 265 lbs. (on a 5' 7" frame), I went bald in my early-twenties, I'm no athlete, etc., etc. For years I attributed my lack of success with woman to either my looks or the "big brother" syndrome that seems to happen to nice, shy guys. All the women love to talk to the nice guys, but then they go and date the jerks.

So, I wound up in hospital, in the ICU and after I pulled through, I got healthy. Dropped 80+ lbs., exercised, dressed better-the works. Yet, still I was the "nice guy". Well, it wasn't the looks that was the problem-it was me.

I entered therapy and learned a lot of what happens to me (almost all of it, actually) stems from signals that I send out. I was being treated like a brother because i was sending ZERO in the way of sexual signals. I was like a Ken Doll-LOL! I found out that its OK to be a nice guy, its Ok to be a gentleman, and its OK to be sensitive and caring-AS LONG AS you don't hide the other aspects of yourself that tell a woman: "Oh, Hell Yes I'm interested!!!"

So I started to try this new (and scary) approach. Guess what? I got some dates on EHarmony!!! I'm still not comfortable with "showing" myself-so to speak, and ithas hindered me at times. But I'm getting better at doing it! I haven't had to sacrifice my morals, my personality or my character. All I've done is added an element of sexualness that I was not showing before.

Confidence is indeed the secret weapon. I still am not 100% confident in the "sexy" me-but I'm getting there. Ultimately, I hope to strike an equal balance between me-the nice guy, and me-the sexy beast-LOL!!!

Wish me luck-and good luck to all the shy guys out there. I'm rooting for you, brothers!

- April 19, 2008 05:58 PM

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Way out here in the northwest corner of Washington lives one such fellow, or at least one who thinks he is as you describe. But I have my own set of issues to figure out or work through as I approach a return to dating. My collection of health issues mean sex is only something I remember, and quite fondly too. As weight declines I expect to discuss this more with my physician. Having to discuss it with a woman is more than I choose to attempt for now. And so I don't even really try to pursue a woman.
- December 23, 2007 09:47 PM

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